Kingdoms: Camden and Raondra ?

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    • #3543
      Nigel_Secomb
      Participant

      In previous iterations of the game, the land from A-1 to F-12 was “Midgard” and where the bulk of play occurred for most of the game, with other continents starting to be developed towards the ends of those iterations.

      In this version, and apologies if I’ve misinterpreted the text in rulebook v.8.3:
      * Midgard is a “Kingdom” that claims the lands North of the river that runs through the middle of the “broken” continent.
      * Camden is a “Kingdom” that claims the lands in the Western half (map cols 1 to 6?) of the “broken” continent that are South of the river.
      * Raondra is a “Kingdom” that claims the lands in the Eastern half (map cols 7 to 12?) of the “broken” continent that are South of the river.

      Some questions:
      1) As the Imperial and Cymru Kingdoms are playable Organisations, will Organisation descriptions for Camden and Raondra also be added to the rulebook and available as playable Organisations?
      2) Are there border disputes, skirmishes or larger scale conflicts between the 3 Kingdoms of the “broken” continent, or is there a stable peace treaty in place?
      3) The Imperials previously had Preserves, Forts and Ports in the lands south of the river that runs through the middle of the “broken” continent. Have these been converted to holdings of the relevant (new) Kingdom, or are they still Imperial holdings?
      4) Does the Imperial Homeland still exist as a separate continent, or is the northern half of the “broken” continent being rewritten as being the Imperial Homeland?
      5) The Factions and Religions exist in all 3 Kingdoms. Do clans have cultural links to their “Kingdom of Origin” that have any significance, or are the Kingdoms just bureaucratic divisions of a single “Midgard culture”?

      kind regards,
      Nigel S.

    • #3707
      Nigel_Secomb
      Participant

      From Penn on Discord:

      “From my talks with Jon, both Kingdoms in southern are UNKNOWN till the game starts and thus they are NPC only to begin with, and IN-GAME only interactions, and how they will relate to the IMPERIALS IS UNKNOWN, and there are No Imperial holdings in Midgard at all.

      Remember too the imperial are invaders that conquered the old kingdom that the Boda, Gotham, and Roder families were a part of.

      Expect a lot of forced fighting from the Gms #0s pushing the players to restore that former kingdom again and driving the imperial off Midgard.

      My guess the other two kingindom will also view the imperial as Invaders as well too.”

    • #3708
      DreamWeaver
      Participant

      Nigel, now I corrected my comments a few post later to state that the Imperial holdings are in Northern Midgard only. These other two Kingdoms are in Southern Midgard, and nothing at game start is known about them. Basically players will need to In Game investigate these two NPC Kingdoms.

      Also remember that the Imperial Kingdom Invaded Midgard and took down the Old Kingdom, that was there. The only remaining families are the Boda, Getham, and Roder. You also had the Banner, Gift, and Ring religions up there as well. So those three families are going to want to reclaim their former Kingdom and drive the invaders from their lands.

      Now I it doesn’t take a genius to think that these other two Kingdoms in Southern Midgard are most likely not going to be too in love with the Imperials or trust them either. Honestly I am not sure, but look at it from their perspective. They would most likely see the Imperials as invaders that destroyed the larger Old Kingdom, and they are now trying to crush the three remaining families, subdue the local religions, and they want to increase their holdings. How do you think they are going to be viewing the Imperials…I will let you think about it.

    • #3709
      Nigel_Secomb
      Participant

      Hi Penn,
      Given that there are clans starting in those Kingdoms, it makes little sense that they’d be a complete mystery. If we were talking about an area outside the initial starting areas, sure, but not within the starting area.
      While those Kingdoms may not have good relations with the Imperials, there are a number of reasons why they may be biding their time or even trying to improve those relationships. There’s also the issue of how they get along with each other. Again, it would be fairly obvious from goings on at the borders as to whether the relationships were positive, neutral or negative.
      Please note that my questions concern fairly broad facts, not details which could be concealed from those living in the area. These issues wouldn’t take much effort to develop or document in the rulebook, and aren’t the kind of details that provide interesting roleplay opportunities.
      I am keen to hear from the GMs on these two Kingdoms.

    • #3934
      DreamWeaver
      Participant

      Hi Nigel,

      OK I will say lets wait and see what is discovered In Game once the game actually starts. I don’t think you will discover much during Beta test, but I think most of it will start once the game actually starts to play. Who knows maybe their both cannibals and they will eat everyone.

    • #3971
      Galan
      Keymaster

      1) As the Imperial and Cymru Kingdoms are playable Organisations, will Organisation descriptions for Camden and Raondra also be added to the rulebook and available as playable Organisations?
      — Yes, eventually.
      2) Are there border disputes, skirmishes or larger scale conflicts between the 3 Kingdoms of the “broken” continent, or is there a stable peace treaty in place?
      — Yes, still disputes, skirmishes, etc. between the Imperials and the other two, less between them.
      3) The Imperials previously had Preserves, Forts and Ports in the lands south of the river that runs through the middle of the “broken” continent. Have these been converted to holdings of the relevant (new) Kingdom, or are they still Imperial holdings?
      — Yes, this is in progress.
      4) Does the Imperial Homeland still exist as a separate continent, or is the northern half of the “broken” continent being rewritten as being the Imperial Homeland?
      — The Imperial Homeland still exists.
      5) The Factions and Religions exist in all 3 Kingdoms. Do clans have cultural links to their “Kingdom of Origin” that have any significance, or are the Kingdoms just bureaucratic divisions of a single “Midgard culture”?
      — This is an interesting question and I can go either way with it. If Clans decide to write it into their backgrounds, then we will use it. Factions, Religions and Groups can exist in any Kingdom. Nothing prevents the Roder, Boda or Gift from building a City in Cymru IF they work with Cymru and receive permission from the Kingdom. Religions can gain converts anywhere; eventually gaining influence and using that influence to sway Kingdoms or Factions.

      • #3973
        Nigel_Secomb
        Participant

        Thanks Jon for the additional basic info about the starting situation on the broken continent. I’ve found it very useful context when considering what goals and styles of play are likely to work for a given clan, and where roughly on the map would be a good choice for a given style of play.

        kind regards,

        Nigel S.

    • #4051
      CheshireCat1971
      Participant

      I would assume the two new, immediate kingdoms, AND the others too, like MANCHURIA, could well have their hands full from the start. I doubt their thoughts will extend beyond their borders, save for embassies, as they need security and development before anything else else. I can’t see them being a wonderful chance to explore their ways, a big adventure. Also why would they be assumed as being influenced by midgard kingdom’s political basis…I think that midgard factions aren’t part of their political demesne, as they’re totally separate and unique.

      Probably wrong, but I’d like it to be the case. Camden and Raondra are totally different or they wouldn’t have separate kingdom status?

      • #4643
        Galan
        Keymaster

        The foundation for Camden and Raondra as Kingdoms were formed before Midgard was invaded by the Imperials. Nobles of the great houses (Roder, Getham and Boda) had extensive holdings on the continent and when Midgard fell to the Imperials, they split off and saved what they could. Camden has mostly Roder / Getham roots, while Raondra is mostly Boda / Getham. New royal houses were established and while all claim (publicly at least) to want to reunite Midgard under one rule, they tend to leave off the part about under “whose” rule. It is generally thought that all of the royal bloodline of Midgard was killed in the Imperial invasion, but there are rumours.

    • #4052
      CheshireCat1971
      Participant

      Either that or I’m a prat

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